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		<title>By: Beyond Global Collaborative "Units," on to Real PLN's: Podcast with Chris Craft &#124; Beyond School</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beyond Global Collaborative "Units," on to Real PLN's: Podcast with Chris Craft &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Langwitches &#187; Collaboration with Schools Around the World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Langwitches &#187; Collaboration with Schools Around the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the beginning of this year (January 2008), I wrote a blog post titled Collaboration Projects- Doomed to fail? that drew many comments.Â  I was presenting the issues I was facing regarding arming global [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sandra Kellerman</title>
		<link>http://langwitches.org/blog/2008/01/06/collaboration-projects-doomed-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-12879</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Kellerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for your post! It&#039;s so wonderful, when we can share our experience. It was also very useful to read the comments. I&#039;ll be happ to help with spreading the word, by the way. I think that Web 2.0 technologies are already playing a very important part in education. Collaboration projects live thanks to them. For example we had and international project, which involved about 15 students from different countries. We were using Wrike (www.wrike.com) for collaboraion and it helped a great deal. In fact, I can&#039;t imagine how we would organize our work without it! Tools like Wrike can be irreplaceable, when be speak about global projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for your post! It&#8217;s so wonderful, when we can share our experience. It was also very useful to read the comments. I&#8217;ll be happ to help with spreading the word, by the way. I think that Web 2.0 technologies are already playing a very important part in education. Collaboration projects live thanks to them. For example we had and international project, which involved about 15 students from different countries. We were using Wrike (www.wrike.com) for collaboraion and it helped a great deal. In fact, I can&#8217;t imagine how we would organize our work without it! Tools like Wrike can be irreplaceable, when be speak about global projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Cofino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Cofino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silvia,

I know exactly what you&#039;re going through - you&#039;re right that we all experience the same frustrations. 

I think part of the real frustration for me is that without a real roll model of how technology can be used to enhance learning and engage students, resistant teachers are never going to want to come on board. 

So we&#039;re trapped in a Catch-22: 

-- can&#039;t get any teachers to try it out in the way that we would do it if we were on our own (but of course, we don&#039;t want to do it for them, because then all we&#039;re doing is enabling them to continue to avoid the issue)

-- we don&#039;t want to have our own classes to show them how it&#039;s done because we certainly don&#039;t want to fall back into the old &quot;sending the kids to computer class&quot; model.

As Reuven pointed out, I think some of the modeling must be done by school administrators. Too many times I&#039;ve heard teachers say things like: &quot;If no one tells me I have to do it, why should I?&quot; An easy question to answer, but not if you want to build any sort of relationship with that teacher.

I&#039;m very fortunate that my administration is so forward thinking, but even with that support, I still struggle. 

I need to make some New Year&#039;s resolutions and I think one of them will be to focus on taking smaller steps - making sure that just one teachers is really on board, that just one teacher really understands what this is all about. 

And while that approach make take more time (and I know we don&#039;t have any time to waste), I think it&#039;s that much more powerful coming from a classroom teacher than it is coming from me (the &quot;tech expert&quot;).

So, you&#039;re not alone. We&#039;re all right there with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silvia,</p>
<p>I know exactly what you&#8217;re going through &#8211; you&#8217;re right that we all experience the same frustrations. </p>
<p>I think part of the real frustration for me is that without a real roll model of how technology can be used to enhance learning and engage students, resistant teachers are never going to want to come on board. </p>
<p>So we&#8217;re trapped in a Catch-22: </p>
<p>&#8211; can&#8217;t get any teachers to try it out in the way that we would do it if we were on our own (but of course, we don&#8217;t want to do it for them, because then all we&#8217;re doing is enabling them to continue to avoid the issue)</p>
<p>&#8211; we don&#8217;t want to have our own classes to show them how it&#8217;s done because we certainly don&#8217;t want to fall back into the old &#8220;sending the kids to computer class&#8221; model.</p>
<p>As Reuven pointed out, I think some of the modeling must be done by school administrators. Too many times I&#8217;ve heard teachers say things like: &#8220;If no one tells me I have to do it, why should I?&#8221; An easy question to answer, but not if you want to build any sort of relationship with that teacher.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very fortunate that my administration is so forward thinking, but even with that support, I still struggle. </p>
<p>I need to make some New Year&#8217;s resolutions and I think one of them will be to focus on taking smaller steps &#8211; making sure that just one teachers is really on board, that just one teacher really understands what this is all about. </p>
<p>And while that approach make take more time (and I know we don&#8217;t have any time to waste), I think it&#8217;s that much more powerful coming from a classroom teacher than it is coming from me (the &#8220;tech expert&#8221;).</p>
<p>So, you&#8217;re not alone. We&#8217;re all right there with you!</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am learning the ropes of collaborative projects this year.  I have participated in the past, (I am a classroom teacher) but this year I am coordinating. Started off the year with lots of people interested, but as the year goes on, everyone gets busy and I have less and less participants.  After being an international teacher for several years, I was surprised that I was unable to make any contacts at the schools in Africa, Asia, and South America where I had previously taught.  Those who have participated have enjoyed the project and the kids love connecting. Wish we could keep up the momentum. 
Shameless plug for my latest project at http://tinyurl.com/yvfvmv . Here&#039;s hoping...:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am learning the ropes of collaborative projects this year.  I have participated in the past, (I am a classroom teacher) but this year I am coordinating. Started off the year with lots of people interested, but as the year goes on, everyone gets busy and I have less and less participants.  After being an international teacher for several years, I was surprised that I was unable to make any contacts at the schools in Africa, Asia, and South America where I had previously taught.  Those who have participated have enjoyed the project and the kids love connecting. Wish we could keep up the momentum.<br />
Shameless plug for my latest project at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yvfvmv" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yvfvmv</a> . Here&#8217;s hoping&#8230;:)</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More: as tech infrastructure inevitably improves in more and more schools, and as account-creation for web 2.0 services inevitably becomes simpler at the same time, these projects will become easier.  We&#039;re just at the thin end of the wedge, working possibly before the time is ripe and the, um, how do I finish this metaphor, firewood is dry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More: as tech infrastructure inevitably improves in more and more schools, and as account-creation for web 2.0 services inevitably becomes simpler at the same time, these projects will become easier.  We&#8217;re just at the thin end of the wedge, working possibly before the time is ripe and the, um, how do I finish this metaphor, firewood is dry?</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just commented on Graham&#039;s post and followed here.  What I said there was based on my own experience as a classroom teacher who designed and actually succeeded at a very ambitious six-week 1001 Flat World Tales writing workshop on a wiki.

It was exhausting. Took ten years off my life, I&#039;m sure.

So my new mantra: smaller and simpler are good.  Quick in, quick out.

Until the old curriculum withers away, and makes more room for this, big projects probably are most often &quot;doomed to fail.&quot; They&#039;re competing with too much dross from the 20th c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just commented on Graham&#8217;s post and followed here.  What I said there was based on my own experience as a classroom teacher who designed and actually succeeded at a very ambitious six-week 1001 Flat World Tales writing workshop on a wiki.</p>
<p>It was exhausting. Took ten years off my life, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>So my new mantra: smaller and simpler are good.  Quick in, quick out.</p>
<p>Until the old curriculum withers away, and makes more room for this, big projects probably are most often &#8220;doomed to fail.&#8221; They&#8217;re competing with too much dross from the 20th c.</p>
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		<title>By: Langwitches</title>
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		<dc:creator>Langwitches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found Graham Wegner&#039;s post &lt;a href=&quot;http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/12/22/parable-20/#comment-13225&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Parable 2.0&quot; &lt;/a&gt; and he addresses similar issues we deal with as a tech integrators/coaches. The comments left by his readers are all very relevant. A must read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found Graham Wegner&#8217;s post <a href="http://gwegner.edublogs.org/2007/12/22/parable-20/#comment-13225" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Parable 2.0&#8243; </a> and he addresses similar issues we deal with as a tech integrators/coaches. The comments left by his readers are all very relevant. A must read!</p>
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		<title>By: Langwitches</title>
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		<dc:creator>Langwitches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you to all for leaving a comment. I can read in each one that &lt;b&gt;everyone&lt;/b&gt; is dealing with the same issues more or less.
 
I know that I am not alone in my frustration, but that does not make it any easier. 

I am reading, as a summary, of all your comments and your own experiences, that we need to learn to deal with the stalling, fizzling out, non-interest or initiative from others &lt;b&gt;AND&lt;/b&gt;keep plugging away anyway. 

If we make a difference in one class, with one teacher, or with one project that does get completed...then that might ignite the fire for others....or not... 

Chris C. I like your suggestion of taking a class over, but I am hesitant because we are so desperately trying to move AWAY from a separate  class and babysitting services for the teacher. 

I need classroom teachers help to tie it to their curriculum. I am NOT a writing, math, social studies, etc. teacher. Only they know what the skills and objectives are that they need their students to accomplish. The students need to understand that technology is the tool to learn, create and deliver, not a separate entity.

Lucy,
I have added the Teddy Bear Project to the Global Collaboration wiki and also posted to several ning sites. 

Diane,John, Susan, and Chris.
Thank you so much for passing out the info of The Teddy Bear Around the World project. Maybe this will get the ball rolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to all for leaving a comment. I can read in each one that <b>everyone</b> is dealing with the same issues more or less.</p>
<p>I know that I am not alone in my frustration, but that does not make it any easier. </p>
<p>I am reading, as a summary, of all your comments and your own experiences, that we need to learn to deal with the stalling, fizzling out, non-interest or initiative from others <b>AND</b>keep plugging away anyway. </p>
<p>If we make a difference in one class, with one teacher, or with one project that does get completed&#8230;then that might ignite the fire for others&#8230;.or not&#8230; </p>
<p>Chris C. I like your suggestion of taking a class over, but I am hesitant because we are so desperately trying to move AWAY from a separate  class and babysitting services for the teacher. </p>
<p>I need classroom teachers help to tie it to their curriculum. I am NOT a writing, math, social studies, etc. teacher. Only they know what the skills and objectives are that they need their students to accomplish. The students need to understand that technology is the tool to learn, create and deliver, not a separate entity.</p>
<p>Lucy,<br />
I have added the Teddy Bear Project to the Global Collaboration wiki and also posted to several ning sites. </p>
<p>Diane,John, Susan, and Chris.<br />
Thank you so much for passing out the info of The Teddy Bear Around the World project. Maybe this will get the ball rolling.</p>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia,

I emailed a copy of your flyer to all of our elementary teachers, handed one personally to our elementary principal, and contacted all of the SLMS in our regional BOCES.

SOMETHING should come of that!

diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia,</p>
<p>I emailed a copy of your flyer to all of our elementary teachers, handed one personally to our elementary principal, and contacted all of the SLMS in our regional BOCES.</p>
<p>SOMETHING should come of that!</p>
<p>diane</p>
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